Old Hollywood Lesbians Thread
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| Topic Started: Sep 22 2008, 10:05 AM (117,590 Views) | |
| Guest | Oct 24 2008, 01:20 PMPost #201 |
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| Guest | Oct 24 2008, 01:24 PMPost #202 |
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| LOL! You funny |
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| Guest | Oct 24 2008, 01:30 PMPost #203 |
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| Margaret Hamilton acted as the bad witch didn't she? I think I've heard rumours about her being a dyke over the years, but again I don't think that they have ever being confirmed as fact. It would be pretty funny if both the good and bad witch were gay and Dorothy was bi (as Judy Garland apparently was) Makes the movie all the gayer |
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| Guest | Oct 24 2008, 01:48 PMPost #204 |
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| Crawford was usually seen with a glass of water, of course it was vodka in it. Makes no odor, so at most time she was tipsy. No wonder see was over sexed/had no boundaries. View Full Image With Stanwyck...aww. Why people insist Stanwyck was straight is beyond me, but hey. Tidbit about when Joan met Garbo during the shooting of Grand Hotel (great film btw) They never shared a scene in the film: And Miss Garbo worked from nine to five. Curfew. And I had to be ready at five to go on. And I was standing outside the dressing room and I said, "Jerry! Stand back! Stand back! Here comes Miss Garbo!" and I said "Hold your breath! Stand back! She doesn't like to see anybody!" So she came up and she paused and I started to run down and she was below me, I was on the top step and she was two below me...and I didn't know what to do. And I said "Excuse me, Miss Garbo," and she took my face in her hands and said, "Oh, I am so sorry we have no scenes togedder. I am so sorry." And I looked at this face with the sun in the west...on this beautiful face. It was five-thirty at that time and she was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen in my life and I went BOINNNNG! http://www.joancrawfordbest.com/townhallinterview.htm |
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| Guest | Oct 25 2008, 07:44 AMPost #205 |
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| thanks for that. i am really hoping miss moorehead was gay. i loved her. any news on mary aster? |
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| Guest | Oct 25 2008, 11:43 AMPost #206 |
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| not from Hollywood but... |
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| Guest | Oct 25 2008, 09:14 PMPost #207 |
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| Margaret Hamilton was a single parent at the time of Oz and she was glad to get the job. Does that make her straight? Dunno. |
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| Guest | Oct 26 2008, 03:20 AMPost #208 |
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| I think people might insist she is straight because she had been married and had a four year affair with Robert Wagner when he was 22 and she was 45. She was in a movie with the bisexual Capucine(who committed suicide in her 60's). imagine the rumors about those two. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEh85R0jHgM&feature=related |
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| Guest | Oct 26 2008, 03:25 AMPost #209 |
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| thats that mexican artist whose name escapes me at the moment. nice breast. |
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| Guest | Oct 26 2008, 06:10 AMPost #210 |
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| ^Frida Kahlo. |
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| Guest | Oct 26 2008, 06:17 AMPost #211 |
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| Guest | Oct 26 2008, 06:26 AMPost #212 |
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| Judy Holliday had more than one romance with women. The Yetta Cohn one is the most famous but, as a teen, she had a romance with Patricia Highsmith. She also had affairs with several random women, including some famous actresses she worked with. In the two years before her death she was messing around with a sweet young ingenue. Stories about her pussy hound ways are fairly common knowledge. |
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| Guest | Oct 26 2008, 06:31 AMPost #213 |
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| I showed my straight 58 year old sister this thread and she was completely shocked to learn that Debbie Reynolds liked fur burgers. I think she even lost sleep over it. |
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| Guest | Oct 28 2008, 07:45 PMPost #214 |
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| ^^^^ Lol! I hope that your sister is recovering slowly... |
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| Guest | Oct 29 2008, 06:36 PMPost #215 |
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| Just saw her on the Golden Girls. Damn, love that woman. I swear I thought it was the mother from Everyone Loves Raymond (never saw it but saw the commercials). Doris Roberts, I think her name is, not Debbie Reynolds. |
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| Guest | Oct 29 2008, 09:01 PMPost #216 |
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| I got the Lizabeth Scott Confidential exposé in the mail the other day- it's quite juicy and interesting. Apparently there were a number of juvenile girls working in the brothel she frequented... I'll post it in Photobucket and link it here shortly in case anyone might want to read it. About Debbie R, were any of her hubbys gay? I know that Eddie Fisher was a raving hetero, but I'm not too sure about the other two... I'm reading a book about the famous Hollywood agent Henry Willson at the moment, and there's an interesting comment from Debbie about how she was used as a beard for all the gay boys on Willson's roster. She says that she was a willing participant in the bearding as she was a virgin and didn't want 'hands all over her' that would result from dating straight guys, but I'm wondering if she was being bearded also by the arrangment. It seems to fit together when we consider the dyke rumors about her... |
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| Guest | Oct 29 2008, 09:03 PMPost #217 |
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| ^^^^ Oh, I forgot to add this really funny clip of Debbie on Will & Grace... the bloopers at the end are handled very well by Debbie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fygqmToMs2k |
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| Guest | Oct 29 2008, 09:37 PMPost #218 |
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| Guest | Oct 29 2008, 09:39 PMPost #219 |
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| ^^^^ I don't know why my comment is in the quote box above. (*screaming in a really munchkin-y way*) |
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| Guest | Oct 29 2008, 09:52 PMPost #220 |
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| You got the Confidential mag? I'm guessing you got it off of Ebay. That would be great if you can scan it in. Thanks. |
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| Guest | Oct 29 2008, 09:55 PMPost #221 |
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| ^^^^ Will do :-) I'll do my best to get it up tonight or tomorrow I did get it off ebay in fact. Ebay is a great place... |
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| Guest | Oct 30 2008, 03:11 AMPost #222 |
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| (*crying hysterically*) |
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| Guest | Oct 30 2008, 04:10 PMPost #223 |
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| ^^^^ Poor baby, did Lilyan Tashman beat the tar out of you in the powder room? ;-) |
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| Guest | Oct 30 2008, 08:15 PMPost #224 |
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|  View Full Image I'm thinking about trying out Lizabeth Scott's music, has anyone here heard it? What's the verdict? I have to admit, I am a bit intimidated.... I don't want to be having vivid nightmares about a knock 'em dead femme-fatale dyke with an operatic sob of a voice smearing her scrawled-on lipstick as she sings wretchedly of broken love affairs beneath a backdrop of cinematic, wailing strings as dramatic backing vocals reach a crescendo.... Has anyone seen or heard the 'Divine L' in action? Feedback would be much appreciated :-) |
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| Guest | Oct 30 2008, 09:48 PMPost #225 |
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| Cool! A fanatic after my own heart! |
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| Guest | Oct 30 2008, 10:07 PMPost #226 |
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| ^^^^ Lol! Your very vivid description of Lizabeth in action is quite beautiful and disturbing at the same time! I personally haven't got any of Lizzie's music yet, but I have heard a few tracks on Youtube. I'm sure that Lizzie's lippie did get a bit smeared as the tears rolled ridiculously and dramatically down her face as she sobbed her way through yet another sophisticated, string-soaked ballad of heartbreak and lonliness. But we all know that Lizzie was still a tough broad underneath it all- I'm sure that she could knock 'em dead with crackly, smoky horns, a pounding boogie piano and a snarl on her scrawled lips as she told it like it was. And I'm sure that she'd be a fool not to know the basics of what makes an excellent period pop song... Why don't you order her album to find out? But you'd probably have to be a rabid fan of sophisticated, crackly, early pop to truly appreciate her style. If you're used to people like, say, Madonna and Janet she might not appeal... Just a word of warning, dyke! The 'Divine L' indeed! ;-)  View Full Image  View Full Image She probably lit her cigarettes with a smoking pistol, as well... |
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| Guest | Oct 30 2008, 10:12 PMPost #227 |
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| Here is the infamous Lizabeth Scott Confidential exposé from September 1955. They are absolutely huge for some reason, and so they're kind of difficult to read. I tried to resize them, but no luck... http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k418/Krenwinkel/lizabeth_scott_scan010.jpg http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k418/Krenwinkel/lizabeth_scott_scan012.jpg Enjoy! |
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| Guest | Oct 30 2008, 11:57 PMPost #228 |
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| Love, love this thread. :-) I'm watching Desert Fury now. John Hodiak was the Martin Landau of his day.... but with sex appeal! Looking forward to the Lizzie eBay purchase scans. Thanks in advance. Lighting her cigarette with a pistol? lol. |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 12:32 AMPost #229 |
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| ^^^^ I'm really loving this thread too! Hope that you're enjoying Desert Fury... it is indeed a nifty little noir gem. I agree with you about John Hodiak- he was a sleek, suave looker alright. But truth be told, I think that Lizzie had more sex appeal than Hodiak and Burt Lancaster put together. But this is a fan talking so of course I'm slightly biased ;-) I posted the Lizzie scans in the comment above yours, hope that you like 'em! |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 01:26 AMPost #230 |
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| I found this very cute and funny clip of Jimmy Cagney and Margaret Lindsay from 'A Dream Comes True' (1935). They were paired up in five films together, and they made a great team! The last 50 seconds of the clip are very telling... Mags doesn't seem to be enjoying her kiss with James very much- could it be that she was getting upsetting flashbacks of being harassed in the powder room by Lilyan Tashman? ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUPYMx2wVdQ |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 02:25 AMPost #231 |
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| Thanks a bunch for the scans. Nice read (and find). Funny how they used the most butch pic of Scott, like you can't possibly be glamorous and lesbian. I know she was mannish off-screen, but still. Also, imagine being entitled the "Lesbian queen". What an honor! |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 04:25 AMPost #232 |
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| (*spritzing perfume and walking into it*) "Mmm, sexy" They are nice photos of the Divine L, thanks for sharing them with this crumbled old hag :-) Tell me, was this dame a "mean woman"? |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 05:56 AMPost #233 |
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| Thanks very much for the scans. The gossip press was always cruel. There is something creepy and depressing about the way they wrote about homosexuality in the 1950s - they always tried to make it sound creepy and depressing.True! I just watched Lifeboat and was thinking that! |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 07:04 AMPost #234 |
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| Thanks for those scans. I couldn't help but hear Danny DeVito voice as I read. |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 08:13 AMPost #235 |
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| thanks for that! you are a doll! |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 08:42 AMPost #236 |
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| The scans were easy to read. Thanks for your dedication & sharing it with us! |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 01:36 PMPost #237 |
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| Here's from another thread here; "Here's a random tidbit - one of my friends did a Broadway production with Julie Andrews back in the late 80's, early 90's. At a wrap-party, Ms. Andrews approached the female coworker of my friend and asked if she wanted to have a threesome with her husband. The coworker was shocked because it was Julie-Fucking-Andrews, but politely turned her down. I always think of this whenever I watch the Sound of Music. Fraulein Maria has got some swerve to her. Has anyone else heard any rumors about JA? This is obviously third-hand info, but my friend isn't prone to making stuff like this up. I believe she witnessed this encounter, but from a distance" Julie Andrews, the queen of straight, American Pie wholesome goodness??? Next,we will be hearing about how she and fellow Good Girl Deb Reynolds got smashed out on coke one night and got it ahn. |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 02:52 PMPost #238 |
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| I just can't get my bean wet over the thought of Mary Poppins. ugh. |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 03:22 PMPost #239 |
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| My pretties- you are more than welcome for the scans... Glad that they were legible. I'm a huge Scotty fan and recently I've been ordering old magazine clippings and movies of hers off ebay. This thread has reminded me why old Hollywood dames were the absolute best! The coolest ones were all 'mean women'! ;-) Btw that visual of Debbie R and Julie Andrews getting blasted on drugs and doing the dirty is simply surreal. And somewhat disturbing. Oh lord! If Eddie Fisherever got a hold of that story... I agree with the poster above me, Mary Poppins isn't the sexiest broad! |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 04:59 PMPost #240 |
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| Why not? I’m a big Victor/Victoria fan and I think she’s capable of behaving like this. Don’t mock at my Julie ! |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 05:14 PMPost #241 |
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| Hell yes - she's always had that twinkle in her eye! |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 05:23 PMPost #242 |
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| ^^ exactly! |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 08:06 PMPost #243 |
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| When I was a little girl, I had a crush on Mary Poppins. Didn't realize it at the time, but now it all makes sense. |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 09:04 PMPost #244 |
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| If you think that's bad, wait until you hear about the time that the Divine L was having "dinner" (euphemism for 'hot lesbian sex', no doubt) at Deb R's house (the hubby and the kids were locked in the attic, you can't have straights cramping your style) when at a very 'crucial' moment during the, aham, 'dinner' she was seized by searing chest pains that caused her to howl so violently that her lipstick ravaged teeth were illuminated nightmarishly by the candle light.... as the poor, panicking Deb tried to raise an oxygen mask to L's wheezing, gin soaked scrawl of a mouth, L gurgled her last and choked it, promptly smashing her overly made up face into the 'gravy float'! Deb R ended up wishing she had just stuck with a plain old takeaway and some straight company. |
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| Guest | Oct 31 2008, 10:08 PMPost #245 |
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| LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!! Oh, the nightmarish, hilarious, poetic beauty of your writing!!! That scenario sounds like it was probably traumatising in the extreme for poor Deb! I only hope that she didn't attempt to 'hide' the body by stuffing it in the backseat of her car, driving to a remote spot, propping it up in a wheelchair and dumping it into a river á la 'Baby Jane'! Poor old L sounds like she didn't have the best of luck in life- every time she tried to get some hot dyke 2 dyke action, something happened to spoil it for her! |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 02:25 AMPost #246 |
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| It's not poetry, honey. It's the cold, hard truth. As for what happened to the body, well let's just say that Deb R isn't all sweetness and light, as she would have the foolish public believe (we dykes know better, though).... she had never treated L's body with any form of respect in life, why should she start in death? She lifted the head up from the gravy float unceremoniously, using the disheveled blonde locks as a handle of sorts as she dragged the lifeless corpse from the room (no doubt being the ever conspicuous housewife that she was, Deb was annoyed to see the dull red trail that L's cheap and badly applied lippy left on her persian rug) and brought it to her local taxidermist to get it stuffed, pronto. And how are we all fooled that L is still alive to this day, you may ask? Well, it's all down to an incredible ventriloquist, a trick of the light and damn good luck. |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 02:50 AMPost #247 |
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| ^^^^ Lol! You totally need to write a story detailing the whole sordid, lurid, shocking night of old Hollywood dyke lesbian passion turned gruesome horrorfest! I know that you have the 'imagination' (even though your accounts above of the incident sound disturbingly, suspiciously real....) and the hilarious, brutal, acid pen to write a scorching account of what really happened that stormy night in Debbie R's house. Now it all makes sense why Eddie left in such a hurry! |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 02:56 AMPost #248 |
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LOL! Does this mean that Lizzie will never really 'die'? It sounds like the making of a good Asis Extreme horror movie... A crumbling, raggedy, mocking, ancient puppet-like version of a crackly old femme fatal who died a horrific death during a night of attempted lesbian passion... Now she haunts Debbie every day with her presence and sends her into spiralling paranoia and madness... I'm going to draw up the script! |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 03:48 AMPost #249 |
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| A post to remind us of the tragic Gail Russell, possible closeted lesbian who has been discussed earlier in this thread. I find her incredibly compelling, sad and fascinating. She seems to have had some sort of deep unhappiness on her shoulders from a very young age that caused her to lose herself to the demons of alcohol. Stage fright and extreme social anxiety have been the constantly reported and accepted reasons for Russell's deep unhappiness and personal problems... but I think that, as an earlier poster stated, it is certainly worth considering the fact that Russell may well have been tortured by self-loathing and anxiety over her homosexuality. Russell married the actor Guy Madison (one of Henry Willson's manufactured pretty-boys). It is now a very common and persistent rumour that Madison was in fact gay. Indeed in the book 'The Man Who Invented Rock Hudson', there is a hefty amount of anecdotal evidence that Madison was not straight. Himself and fellow Willson boy Rory Calhoun are thought to have had a long-running affair. The marriage was an extremely unhappy one for Russell, and she left him in 1954. Her long-running alcohol problem led to Russell running into trouble with the law, ruining her once remarkable looks and becoming a pariah in Hollywood. Work began to dry up and by 1950 Russell's once promising star had dimmed drastically. Despite struggling with her drink problem and making many attempts to go straight, Russell was ultimately unable to control her addiction and on August 27th she was found dead on her apartment floor, surrounded by empty liquor bottles. She had died alone and her body had lain undiscovered for a full day. Very very sad story :-( Here are some pics chronicling Russell's tragic addiction: A beautiful, vibrant, healthy young woman with a promising career ahead of her... Gail in the 1940's:  View Full Image  View Full Image  View Full Image  View Full Image The 1950's, and Russell's life had spiralled out of control due to her drinking. Her looks were shockingly ravaged, and she endured several shocking, embarrassing public run-ins with the law. Image below: Russell, age 31, in 1956  View Full Image Image below: Sgt. C.H. Specht examines damage to Jan's Restaurant, 8424 Beverly Blvd., caused by Gail Russell's convertible  View Full Image Image below: Russell fails a test for intoxication administered by the police on the night of her convertible smash  View Full Image Image below: Russell and an unidentified man, presumably attorney Rexford Eagan, for another court hearing in 1958. She is 32 in this photograph. Note her dilated pupils  View Full Image Image below: Russell and defense lawyer Harvey Silbert in 1953, when she pleaded not guilty to drunk driving  View Full Image Truly shocking, sad stuff. Hope that Gail rests in peace now... |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 03:50 AMPost #250 |
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| ^^^^ Whoops, forgot to say in my post above that Russell died on August 26th 1961. She died from a heart attack attributed to alcohol. She was found to have been suffering from malnutrition at the time of her death. (*sigh*) Very depressing story :-( |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 04:34 AMPost #251 |
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| Wow...Gail Russell's story sounds incredibly sad. And just think...things are only now improving to a point where a Gail Russell might be able to come out and maybe not have to sacrifice her career - if she's lucky. She has the Amy Winehouse look in some of these pictures. Also, what's out there about Frances Farmer? I read that book, Shadowlands, ages ago, but I've since heard that much of it was exaggerated or made up. Near the end of her life, she allegedly lived with a woman in a lesbian relationship. However, she also had supposedly been lobotomized, so I'm not sure what I believe. She's another sad tale. |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 05:55 AMPost #252 |
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| Lesbian actress Pina Pellicer (star of One Eyed Jacks). Career never took off due to much discussion about her lesbianism. Was in an affair with an older woman on One Eyed Jacks and killed herself at around 30 years old after another older woman left her. Suffered from depression due to inability to reconcile lesbianism with catholicism. Stories of Brando being mean or having her take meds on One Eyed Jacks are unfounded as far as I can tell. He did fall for her but all interviews I've done appear to show it as unrequited. (with Brando) http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2007/04/24/fotos/a10n1esp-1_mini.jpg http://cinemexicano.mty.itesm.mx/imagenes/pina_pellicer.jpg |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 06:02 AMPost #253 |
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| Two women that came up in interviews (beside the obvious - Margaret Lindsay, Lizabeth Scott, Capucine) were the aforementioned Gail Russell (rumored affair with John Wayne aside - most interviewed stated they were more like brother and sister - abandonment by Wayne done due to romance rumors) who has several relationships with women and Jean Arthur who grew increasingly butch over the years. |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 12:18 PMPost #254 |
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 View Full Image ^^^ How could this person arrange a seedy and sleazy sex session on the down low whilst her poor husband and kids cowered in the attic and then act like as if everything was all sweetness and light the next day? It simply beggars belief, and let's not forget that as she traipsed gaily (or should that be "gayly"?) around on the magazine covers, the horrifically weathered and worn corpse of the crumbling L was lugged around disrespectfully to keep up this twisted 'straight' charade.... Deb R had better watch out, or one thundery, lightning-clapped night a wrecked old puppet with a twisted, mocking scrawl of a mouth might jerk to life and decide to finish the 'session' from all those years ago.... |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 12:25 PMPost #255 |
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| Thanks for the detailed and lovingly illustrated post about Gail (GAY-le?) you obviously have a very 'soft spot' for this wretched creature ;-) But the poor dyke is probably on turbo-spin in her grave at all the juicy goss that you are revealing about her... Where did you get the gay lowdown on this broad? Any books or web links we should know about? You are a a valuable and high quality poster on this thread-- don't give it up, doll! |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 01:02 PMPost #256 |
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| any proof that Gail Russell was a dyke? |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 05:31 PMPost #257 |
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I am not the same poster who posted the photos. However, Crivello's Fallen Angels brings it up without being explicit that in the late 50's she was in a romance with a woman. In looking into the closeted scene decades ago, I found several women that admitted to having been in relationships with her - or I should say had sex with her. Sadly it was off the record. As for Scott, she refused (or could not afford or her studio didn't care enough - her career was already in decline) to pay off Confidential to be quiet on hers. She was hardly the only one to be busted in some way. |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 07:30 PMPost #258 |
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| thanks for mentioning the Fallen Angels book. I am going to look it up in my library! |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 07:36 PMPost #259 |
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| bisexual? |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 07:59 PMPost #260 |
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| Yeah- possibly gay, possibly bi, but probably not straight. |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 08:09 PMPost #261 |
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| Wow thanks for all the juicy, interesting info ladies! Any info from the interviews about Lizzie Scott or Mags Lindsay that you'd care to share, toots? ;-) Also thanks to the poster who mentioned Pina Pellicer- I've never heard of her before, but she sounds fascinating and she was really brooding and beautiful looking. I'd like to research her more now! |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 08:17 PMPost #262 |
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That's the tricky part. Almost every woman I interviewed, including some well known actresses, who confessed to relations with both men and women, advised they had sex with men and went into relationships with men due to the old adage "You just haven't met the right man." This was a common angle in therapy back in the 1940's and 50s' (also used with gay male actors). Essentially that a lesbian could purge herself of same sex desire by having sex with men (and vice versa for gay males). Needless to say it did not go well for most. While some, like Margaret Lindsay, thought it quackery, others didn't or at least didn't want to and went through with this. So was the woman really attracted to a man or going through the motions. We'll never know. |
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| Guest | Nov 1 2008, 08:50 PMPost #263 |
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| God, I love this thread. |
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| Guest | Nov 2 2008, 12:37 AMPost #264 |
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Oh lord, it really is too much to take in... What kind of ironic, chilling charade has Debbie R been playing with us for the past 5 decades? How can she seem so wholesome, sweet and innocent and yet have such an obviously ruthless and callous heart behind closed doors? Her poor husband and kids were banished to the attic (a chilling echo of 'Flowers In The Attic', no?) every time Deb was siezed by a sleazy, dykish urge... It's truly horrific that poor L couldn't have died in more dignified circumstances, and that her remains weren't treated with an ounce of dignity or respect... Something tells me that this Hallowe'en, Debbie cowered at every creak and shadow that flickered as she curled under the covers of her bed and prayed that a crumbling, ravaged, Beetlejeuse-like mannequin with a painted scrawl didn't come to get her! |
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| Guest | Nov 2 2008, 12:48 AMPost #265 |
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| Thanks for the detailed and lovingly illustrated post about Gail (GAY-le?) you obviously have a very 'soft spot' for this wretched creature ;-) But the poor dyke is probably on turbo-spin in her grave at all the juicy goss that you are revealing about her... Where did you get the gay lowdown on this broad? Any books or web links we should know about? You are a a valuable and high quality poster on this thread-- don't give it up, doll! [/quote] The posters above me in this thread have done a very good job of explaining the many reasons why there have long been rumours about Gail Russell. In short, gathered from info shared by previous posters: * She was strongly rumoured to be a dyke amongst Hollywood insiders from almost the very beginning of her career, as is stated in the biography of Henry Willson 'The Man Who Created Rock Hudson'. * Several women have come forward in off-the-record interviews and have stated that they slept with/had affairs with Russell * Fallen Angel names a late in life lover and mentions that Russell was spotted at dyke bars/hangouts. * Her marraige was extremely unhappy and there have been rumours about her husband Guy Madison's sexuality since the 40's. * Gail herself bitterly denied ever having an affair with John Wayne and several lovers of Russell's who were interviewed off-the-record have stated that the relationship between Wayne and Russell was that of brother and sister. * Gail's severe drink problem points to someone struggling internally with themselves I don't know if we have any hard evidence, as is unfortunately the case for many dykes of old Hollywood, but we can weigh up the evidence ourselves and reach our own conclusions. For Russell, I think that the conclusion is that she was not straight. Possibly gay, possibly bi. |
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| Guest | Nov 2 2008, 12:51 AMPost #266 |
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| ^^^^ I made a total c*ck-up of the quote I tried to include in my above post, sorry. |
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| Guest | Nov 2 2008, 02:11 AMPost #267 |
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| Do you think Gail drank because she could not be herself? |
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| Guest | Nov 2 2008, 02:36 AMPost #268 |
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| Well, it's not like people don't drink today! |
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| Guest | Nov 2 2008, 02:51 AMPost #269 |
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| Guest | Nov 2 2008, 04:23 PMPost #270 |
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| Do ya think Scotty knew that one of the 3 hookers she was banging was underage? Did the girl look much older than she appeared, or do you think Scotty liked her specifically because she look chicken? Questions, questions. |
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| Guest | Nov 2 2008, 07:16 PMPost #271 |
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Indeed, very juicy stuff to ponder! |
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| Guest | Nov 2 2008, 07:16 PMPost #272 |
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| in other words, was she a female chauvinist pig? |
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| Guest | Nov 2 2008, 09:24 PMPost #273 |
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| It was so hard to get any lesbian contact in those days, I am not going to judge her if one was one year "underage." We don't even know if she had anything to do with her. Isn't it enough that she was persecuted for being a lesbian? |
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| Guest | Nov 3 2008, 01:33 AMPost #274 |
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| I'm sure she did fuck her. I mean, does one buy a box of Jim Dandy or KFC chicken only to leave it on the counter to go cold and not eat it? 'Course not! :Þ |
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| Guest | Nov 3 2008, 10:35 AMPost #275 |
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| ^^^^ lol! But I have to agree with 9:24... Poor Scotty had such a rough time for being quite openly gay back then that it began to affect her career even before the 'hooker' scandal broke. It must have been extremely tough for her back in those days (the forties!). She took to hard drinking as her career went into slow eclipse, so she can't have been too happy with her life. If she made some very bad decisions during that rough period I for one won't judge her for it... And in Lizzies defence, we don't have a pic of the 'jailbait' to determine if she looked 17 or 25 |
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| Guest | Nov 3 2008, 01:26 PMPost #276 |
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| I think whats so sad about a lot of the women mentioned in this, (Gail Russell et al'), is just how much having to cover up their true feelings in public took a toll on their private lives,state of mind and well being just because they coulndn't be more open or honest about themselfs. And (now, a lot of you wont like whats coming next but bear with me) i cant help but return to the present and *coughs* lindsay lohan and how its only now that a young, mainstream actress can pretty much be "out" in a long term relationship with another women, and be able to deal with it as "normal" straight couples would. my point? well yes we as a society still have along way to go before a story like lindsay lohan's issn't considered such a rare thing,its all progress, but we should never forget the gail russell's of the day and what they had to endure! sorry for the rant, just a very interesting thread! |
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| Guest | Nov 3 2008, 03:07 PMPost #277 |
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^^^^ Very well said, darling. And it is pretty impossible not to compare the likes of Gail Russell and Lizabeth Scott to Lindsay Lohan. All were obviously suffering a lot and going through a lot of unhealthy behaviour such as drinking- and on LiLo's part, drugs- because they had to live a lie and repress who they truly were. Now thank goodness LiLo seems to be on the right track and is breaking ground by living openly and honestly. Of course it is a lot 'easier' these days than it was back in the 30's, 40's and 50's, but it still is far from easy, especially for a former child star and teen celebrity such as Lohan. I can't help but feel a bit sad when I look back on some of the old school lesbians, such as Scott and Russell and compare it to the way that lesbians of today have it so much easier in comparison. Those Hollywood dykes of old were our 'forefathers' as it were, so we must empathise with them and their difficulties... But then again there were always the Lilyan Tashmans, the Tallulah Bankheads, the Patsy Kellys and the Margaret Lindsays who were remarkably frank and happy in their own skin. As the hilarious and very upfront Patsy Kelly used to say: "I'm a dyke! So what? Big deal!" Now that's the attitude to have! ;-) |
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| Guest | Nov 3 2008, 07:20 PMPost #278 |
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| Anymore gossip? Any other actress from Old Hollywood that might be or are lesbians? ....anything to get the conversation away from the word Lohan. Please, just one thread without a mention of her! |
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| Guest | Nov 3 2008, 08:06 PMPost #279 |
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| I agree. Let's not soil this thread with yucky contemporary people. What about Louise Brooks, Miriam Hopkins, Claudette Colbert? Someone is making a film on Dorothy Arzner. |
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| Guest | Nov 3 2008, 08:20 PMPost #280 |
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| ^^^^ Sorry! (*sheepishly*) From now on this thread will be strictly old skool!  Another scandulous dykish actress of old Hollywood is the infamous Libby Holman, who allegedly shot her hubby Zachary Smith Reynolds to death during a party in 1932. The Reynolds family contacted the local authorities and had the charges dropped for fear of scandal. Though Reynolds's death was ruled a suicide by the authorities, it is still a scandalous affair. Libby had many lovers, both men (often much younger than herself) and women. She had a lot of famous and interesting female lovers, including actresses Jeanne Eagels and Jane Bowles. She also was in a serious relationship with DuPont heiress Louisa d'Andelot Carpenter, in which she and Louisa lived together in the same house and raised their children together openly, totally accepted by their theatre friends. In 1939 Libby married her second hubby, 12 years younger Ralph (pronounced "Rafe") Holmes. Shortly after seperating from Libby, Ralph Holmes was found in his Manhattan apartment, dead of a barbiturate overdose at age 29. Libby's final husband was artist/sculptor Louis Schanker, who she married in 1960. The marraige was very unhappy, and in 1971 Libby was found nearly dead by her household staff, in her Rolls Royce, the motor running in the closed garage. She was taken to the hospital, where she was pronounced dead. According to the Holman biography Dreams That Money Can Buy by Jon Bradshaw, few of Libby's friends believed the coroner's report that she had committed suicide. Some of the circumstances didn't add up, in particular the question of how the slight, elderly Holman could even open and close the heavy, manually-operated garage door. Juicy, dramatic life! Sorry that there is so much about the men in Libby's life and not so much about the women, but I'm pretty new to Libby and I was just researching her on the net. I'm going to check her out in 'The Girls' and 'Behind The Screen' and see what dyke drama Libby got up to. |
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| Guest | Nov 3 2008, 08:23 PMPost #281 |
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| Oh yes, Colbert! Thanks for mentioning her... She was a great one! I absolutely love that old photo of Dorothy Arzner looking pleased as punch with Clara Bow perched on her lap... Very funny and sweet! It's in one of my gay Hollywood books, I'll scan it in if it isn't floating around on the net... |
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| Guest | Nov 3 2008, 08:38 PMPost #282 |
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| You need to up load that picture. Anyone seen Arzner film with K. Hepburn? I've been trying to find it but it looks like it's not on DVD yet. |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 01:04 AMPost #283 |
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| Dorothy Arzner with Clara Bow, as requested. Sorry, my scanner is being a total bitch tonight so for now this tiny version will have to do ye: View Full Image Arzner and Clara Bow again- lovely pic!  View Full Image Dorothy Arzner- The first female Hollywood director and inventor of the Boom Mike. Oh yeah.  View Full Image Wasn't Katherine H in a film about Amelia Earheart directed by Arzner? I think that it bombed at the time but now is something of a cult classic... |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 01:12 AMPost #284 |
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| Now this is a great picture:  View Full Image Greta G and May Robson (?) in 'Anna Karenina' (1935) Now that's what I call dyke 2 dyke ;-) |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 01:15 AMPost #285 |
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| ^^^^ Sorry not May Robson in the pic above with Greta- anyone seen the movie and know who the lucky lady is? |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 01:20 AMPost #286 |
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| Don't know who she is but her face kind of reminds me of Dame Judith Anderson- discreet old-time dyke. Loved her as the creepy suppressed-lesbian psycho Ms. Danvers in 'Rebecca' |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 01:27 AMPost #287 |
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| Thanks for the pic. It's a great pic. I would love to see a bigger version. I'm going to look around for it. yes to your movie question. It's called Christopher Strong, I just remembered. It's not about Amelia but it's in the similar vein (airplanes, female pilot etc.) Been trying to track it down but since I just got rid of my VHS, can't get it until it's out on DVD. |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 02:40 AMPost #288 |
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| ^^^^ It's probably worth your time going on ebay to try and track down 'Christopher Strong' on dvd... I'm a huge Lizabeth Scott fan, and my passion has been reignited by this very thread. In the past few weeks I've been able to track down several of her very rare, out-of-print movies on ebay. They are copied dvds, but I am very happy with the quality and I'm pleased as punch to own the movies in any format I can get. I've noticed while browsing through ebay searching for several old movies that many quite rare old movies are available on vhs, copied dvd or even a nice foreign version (some are region 0) When searching choose 'worldwide' and 'search title and description' in the search field. Include store inventory for a wider search result. I realise that not everyone is a huge ebay freak like me, but it truly is the best thing ever invented! |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 02:45 AMPost #289 |
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| Is this not the sultriest, most smouldering dyke ever to walk the face of the earth?  View Full Image  View Full Image  View Full Image  View Full Image  View Full Image  View Full Image  View Full Image  View Full Image If indeed she was a dyke, that is... Oh, who are we kidding? ;-) Come out and play, Lizzie! |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 02:50 AMPost #290 |
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| Sorry, forgot this beauty:  View Full Image Scotty might not be 'everyones cup of tea', as Raymond Burr says in 'Pitfall', but she sure is mine! Yes, please! |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 03:05 AMPost #291 |
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| Scott had attitude in spades. Used to prefer bacall but not anymore! |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 03:05 AMPost #292 |
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| Lizabeth Scott is my type! I wish I could see her in the clothes she'd pick for herself. Has anyone else here read Kenneth Anger's Hollywood Babylon books? They are great, morbid, and sexy... full of juicy old Hollywood gossip. |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 04:04 AMPost #293 |
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| Some trivia: the original 1959 french 1st edition of Kenneth Anger's Hollywood Babylon claimed that Tyrone Power & Ceasar Romero liked to throw parties with other gay celebrities where they shat on each other's chests. |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 07:03 AMPost #294 |
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| ^ Now that's important imformation. Thanks! I am learning so much on this thread! |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 08:43 AMPost #295 |
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| thanks ladies! |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 10:18 AMPost #296 |
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| Yes, I loved those books. The tragic story of Lupe Velez kept me from attempting suicide in my teens. I still feel so bad for her. |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 05:18 PMPost #297 |
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| ^^^^ My gossip-obsessed sistuh has both Hollywood Babylon books, I'll definitely check them out after reading what scandulous, shocking, juicy rags they are! Speaking of Ceasar Romero, he was one of Mags Lindsays long-time 'dates' in the 30's and 40's... Wonder if she knew what her 'man' got up to in his spare time? ;-) Then again, while he was away getting shat on by Tyrone Power, Mags was indulging is steamy lesbian orgies, so I think they're even... |
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| Guest | Nov 4 2008, 11:27 PMPost #298 |
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| From 'The Girls' by Diana McLellan: 'Before Tallulah Bankhead left MGM, Louis Mayer tooktime to reproach her for her lesbian adventures. Unrepentant, she gave him a juicy and unwelcome earful, which included the news that she had slept with six of his very top stars, including Barbara Stanwyck and Joan Crawford.' Barbara Standyke, indeed! |
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| Guest | Nov 5 2008, 12:18 AMPost #299 |
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| Time to examine another old Hollywood dyke in more detail… Margaret Lindsay was- as a previous poster stated- probably a gold star who had a bevy of gay ‘companions’ for public appearances (such as Cesar Romero, Richard Deacon and even Liberace) but remained stoically and determinedly true to herself throughout her whole career in movies, never marrying to appease the studio or the public, and maintaining a lively and popular hangout for the closeted lesbians of Hollywood in her and her partner Mary McCarty’s bungalow. Lindsay was a tomboy who liked to climb trees when she was a child and she was a "roller-skating fiend" when a teenager. She won her small but memorable role in Fox’s ’Cavalcade’ by backing up her British-sounding accent with an elaborate "biography" that claimed she was born in a London suburb, the daughter of a London broker who sent her to a London convent for her education. "Although I looked and talked English", she later explained, "to tell them I was actually from Iowa would have lost the assignment for me." So like fellow spoofer Raymond Burr, Lindsay trapped herself in a sticky lie early on in her career. But her lying didn’t extend to her personal life, and it was no big secret to anyone behind the scenes in Hollywood why Lindsay didn’t marry. Rumoured to have been a long-time lover of Janet Gaynor, the two appeared together in the film ‘Paddy the Next Best Thing’ (1933). Famously, herself and Janet went on a wild cross-country road trip with journalists in hot pursuit shortly after Lindsay had a breakdown after appearing at the Thelma Todd murder trial. Lindsay was a good friend of Thelma Todd, and she was at a dinner given in Todd's honour the night of Todd's mysterious death from carbon monoxide poisoning. Margaret was so distraught that she had to bow out of a picture she was filming, 'Murder by an Aristocrat' (1936). Margaret Lindsay died of emphysema in 1981 aged 70. She was a wonderful, unapologetic part of the lesbian community in Old Hollywood, and a very talented, interesting actress as well. RIP Mags!  View Full Image  View Full Image  View Full Image  View Full Image  View Full Image  View Full Image Margaret and Janet Gaynor in ‘Paddy the Next Best Thing’. Nice pic of them!  View Full Image |
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| Guest | Nov 5 2008, 01:21 AMPost #300 |
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| That Margaret Lindsay sure was a purdy lil thang. Thanks for the write up & pics. |
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